This Week in HTML 5 - Episode 9

October 14th, 2008 by Mark Pilgrim, Google

Welcome back to "This Week in HTML 5," where I'll try to summarize the major activity in the ongoing standards process in the WHATWG and W3C HTML Working Group.

Most of the changes in the spec this week revolve around the <textarea> element.

Shelley Powers pointed out that I haven't mentioned the issue of distributed extensibility yet. (The clearest description of the issue is Sam Ruby's message from last year, which spawned a long discussion.) The short version: XHTML (served with the proper MIME type, application/xhtml+xml) supports embedding foreign data in arbitrary namespaces, including SVG and MathML. None of these technologies (XHTML, SVG, or MathML) have had much success on the public web. Despite Chris Wilson's assertion that "we cannot definitively say why XHTML has not been successful on the Web," I think it's pretty clear that Internet Explorer's complete lack of support for the application/xhtml+xml MIME type has something to do with it. (Chris is the project lead on Internet Explorer 8.)

Still, it is true that XHTML does support distributed extensibility, and many people believe that the web would be richer if SVG and MathML (and other as-yet-unknown technologies) could be embedded and rendered in HTML pages. The key phrase here is "as-yet-unknown technologies." In that light, the recent SVG-in-HTML proposal (which I mentioned several weeks ago) is beside the point. The point of distributed extensibility is that it does not require approval from a standards body. "Let a thousand flowers bloom" and all that, where by "flowers," I mean "namespaces." This is an unresolved issue.

Other interesting changes this week:

  • r2314 ensures that the required attribute only applies to form controls whose value can change.
  • r2316 defines the name attribute for form controls.
  • r2317 defines the disabled attribute for form controls.
  • r2320 defines all the different ways that a form control can fail to satisfy its constraints. For example, an <input maxlength=20> element with a 21-character value.
  • r2322 defines exactly how form data should be encoded before being submitted to the server. I've previously mentioned character encoding in this series; this revision marks the first time that an HTML specification has acknowledged the existence of <input type=hidden name=_charset_> method of specifying the character encoding of submitted form data.
  • r2319 removes support for data templates and repetition templates. These were inventions in the original Web Forms 2 specification, but they were never picked up by any major browser.

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Tune in next week for another exciting episode of "This Week in HTML 5."

2 Responses to “This Week in HTML 5 - Episode 9”

  1. Ajaxian » A Peek Inside the W3C Says:

    [...] thick here.  what is wrong with using XML for this? Come on.  I can answer that with two words: IE, and Postel.  Next [...]

  2. The WHATWG Blog » Blog Archive » This Week in HTML 5 - Episode 27 Says:

    [...] would work, much of the discussion centers around the concept of distributed extensibility, which I’ve touched on before. For example, here is Chris Wilson (of the Microsoft IE development team): “We have had (in the [...]

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